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		<title>By: MatthewSlater</title>
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		<dc:creator>MatthewSlater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 10:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: bbizbor</title>
		<link>http://tarekziade.wordpress.com/2006/10/15/marketing-python-is-urgent-part-1-a-python-certification/#comment-8436</link>
		<dc:creator>bbizbor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Поставьте Akismet</description>
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		<title>By: Tarek Ziadé</title>
		<link>http://tarekziade.wordpress.com/2006/10/15/marketing-python-is-urgent-part-1-a-python-certification/#comment-8023</link>
		<dc:creator>Tarek Ziadé</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 19:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@TimothyAWiseman imho I think if one certification is created one day, it will be by a corporate company, and maybe held after that by the PSF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@TimothyAWiseman imho I think if one certification is created one day, it will be by a corporate company, and maybe held after that by the PSF.</p>
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		<title>By: TimothyAWiseman</title>
		<link>http://tarekziade.wordpress.com/2006/10/15/marketing-python-is-urgent-part-1-a-python-certification/#comment-7956</link>
		<dc:creator>TimothyAWiseman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 19:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I am joining this thread years late, but it is definitely easier to argue for Python in a corporate space when it can be shown that there are many people with the training available, and I for one would be interested in picking up a certification from PSF if it ever exists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I am joining this thread years late, but it is definitely easier to argue for Python in a corporate space when it can be shown that there are many people with the training available, and I for one would be interested in picking up a certification from PSF if it ever exists.</p>
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		<title>By: xor007</title>
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		<dc:creator>xor007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 15:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certification! Certification! Certification!

                    ***INTERVIEW WITH HIRING MANAGER***
Q- What is &quot;the Entreprise&quot;?
A- An organisation where nobody is ever liable : rules and regulations make sure nobody ever makes a mistake...(really?)

Q- What could make a hiring manager liable for hiring an unskilled python programmer in &quot;the Entrepise&quot;?
A- Not having &quot;verified&quot; his credentials.

Q- How much does it cost to verify python credentials currently?
A- Very difficult coz have to technically evaluate check references for python projects he worked on. x*$10 000.

Q- Why did you mess up and employ this idiot as PHP programmer?
A- How could I know? Zend Certifies he is good so I did not make a mistake! :-)

Q- Should we choose python for this project?
A- No! I have no safe way of getting talent for it.

P.S.: I had 3 different job offers to double my salary within 5 weeks of passing my RHCE in &quot;Entreprises&quot;. I make miracles daily with python but only team members in the trenches are aware of it. Management does not count python as one of my usefull skills. They know a wrote script/program, they assume it is Java or Perl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certification! Certification! Certification!</p>
<p>                    ***INTERVIEW WITH HIRING MANAGER***<br />
Q- What is &#8220;the Entreprise&#8221;?<br />
A- An organisation where nobody is ever liable : rules and regulations make sure nobody ever makes a mistake&#8230;(really?)</p>
<p>Q- What could make a hiring manager liable for hiring an unskilled python programmer in &#8220;the Entrepise&#8221;?<br />
A- Not having &#8220;verified&#8221; his credentials.</p>
<p>Q- How much does it cost to verify python credentials currently?<br />
A- Very difficult coz have to technically evaluate check references for python projects he worked on. x*$10 000.</p>
<p>Q- Why did you mess up and employ this idiot as PHP programmer?<br />
A- How could I know? Zend Certifies he is good so I did not make a mistake! <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Q- Should we choose python for this project?<br />
A- No! I have no safe way of getting talent for it.</p>
<p>P.S.: I had 3 different job offers to double my salary within 5 weeks of passing my RHCE in &#8220;Entreprises&#8221;. I make miracles daily with python but only team members in the trenches are aware of it. Management does not count python as one of my usefull skills. They know a wrote script/program, they assume it is Java or Perl.</p>
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		<title>By: wfox</title>
		<link>http://tarekziade.wordpress.com/2006/10/15/marketing-python-is-urgent-part-1-a-python-certification/#comment-114</link>
		<dc:creator>wfox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2006 00:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>maybe with a petition online we can get a Certification program

Sorry for my english</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maybe with a petition online we can get a Certification program</p>
<p>Sorry for my english</p>
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		<title>By: dorai</title>
		<link>http://tarekziade.wordpress.com/2006/10/15/marketing-python-is-urgent-part-1-a-python-certification/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>dorai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Nov 2006 00:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google does not use Python instead of Java (as someone mentioned in the comments). From what I heard in a seminar in Silicon Valley, Python is the third most popular language at Google (at least it was about 6 months ago). They have Guido and many other Python luminaries. 

I think one of the ways to promote Python is to show cool applications being built with Python. The popularity of these applications should drive adoption. 

Initially it may be better to use Jython or IronPython so that you can play around in the Java and .NET environment. This leverages existing Java libraries and .NET libraries and improve productivity. 

A few Python code contents may help as well. I think PHP has a lot more adoption than Python or Ruby. Some of the most popular products like MediaWiki, Wordpress are written in PHP. Why did they chose PHP instead of Python? I think we need to find this out as well. Zend is doing a great job (they have deals with both Oracle and Microsoft) of PR. Having a great language is not obviously enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google does not use Python instead of Java (as someone mentioned in the comments). From what I heard in a seminar in Silicon Valley, Python is the third most popular language at Google (at least it was about 6 months ago). They have Guido and many other Python luminaries. </p>
<p>I think one of the ways to promote Python is to show cool applications being built with Python. The popularity of these applications should drive adoption. </p>
<p>Initially it may be better to use Jython or IronPython so that you can play around in the Java and .NET environment. This leverages existing Java libraries and .NET libraries and improve productivity. </p>
<p>A few Python code contents may help as well. I think PHP has a lot more adoption than Python or Ruby. Some of the most popular products like MediaWiki, WordPress are written in PHP. Why did they chose PHP instead of Python? I think we need to find this out as well. Zend is doing a great job (they have deals with both Oracle and Microsoft) of PR. Having a great language is not obviously enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Yerk</title>
		<link>http://tarekziade.wordpress.com/2006/10/15/marketing-python-is-urgent-part-1-a-python-certification/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Yerk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 12:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and also- for my 2 copper, I&#039;ve never found the python community to be snobbish and rude to newbs. Everyone I&#039;ve interacted with has been very nice and helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and also- for my 2 copper, I&#8217;ve never found the python community to be snobbish and rude to newbs. Everyone I&#8217;ve interacted with has been very nice and helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Yerk</title>
		<link>http://tarekziade.wordpress.com/2006/10/15/marketing-python-is-urgent-part-1-a-python-certification/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Yerk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 00:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a side note- I&#039;m a hardware/msca type that is ridiculously fascinated by coding and making the computer do what I want it to do nothaving it tell me what it won&#039;t do ;) I&#039;ve dabbled in python but hypothetically, if I wanted to move more towards development, what would you all suggest as far as how to get myself there? back to school for compsci? learn some languages on my own and have a few mock projecs developed to prove to the hiring managers i&#039;m capable? See what I&#039;m asking? (hope this is not too off topic but You all seem fairly proficient and I believed your insights could be valuable) 
:) cheers
Bri</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a side note- I&#8217;m a hardware/msca type that is ridiculously fascinated by coding and making the computer do what I want it to do nothaving it tell me what it won&#8217;t do <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#8217;ve dabbled in python but hypothetically, if I wanted to move more towards development, what would you all suggest as far as how to get myself there? back to school for compsci? learn some languages on my own and have a few mock projecs developed to prove to the hiring managers i&#8217;m capable? See what I&#8217;m asking? (hope this is not too off topic but You all seem fairly proficient and I believed your insights could be valuable)<br />
 <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  cheers<br />
Bri</p>
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		<title>By: tarekziade</title>
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		<dc:creator>tarekziade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Paul Boddie: great points, the web site in also a major
point for promoting Python. You are right, the site misses
some kind of &quot;take a tour&quot; or &quot;try out&quot; central link in
the homepage. I&#039;ll look forward for your entries in the wiki
and join.

Edit: I have just seen your link, I am going to look right now

@Ram Sambamurthy: Great news for your institute, I wish you
the best.
Company that uses Python are already involved in the communities
but as far as I know, for those which provide Python courses,
they are doing their materials on their own, and maybe
all those company could sit down together and thunk about
a common base.

@Simon TeW: I think Ruby had a great effect over the
Python community, for all the reasons you mentioned.

For web frameworks, RoR made a big impact on how Python frameworks
evolve: they all now look at what is beeing done on RoR side,
and that&#039;s very good.

About Google, I can&#039;t wait to see this company getting more
and more involved in making Python bigger. I also have a big
hope on what they will do next.

@Ant: You make an important point here. I think Java strength also
comes from the way they build up things: everything is based
on standards. On Python side, even though it&#039;s not as big in
the industrial field, pushing PEPs the same way JSRs are would
be a good thing.

@DoctorPepper: The point is, if you are a great and smart developer,
(and it&#039;s seem so), you won&#039;t have any problem to sell and promote
the use of Python, because you&#039;ll know when and how to use it.

Now take a student that is freshly gratuated, with no experience at all.
He won&#039;t be able to sell anything but her diplomas and certification.

About time saving and money saving: maybe we could (i can&#039;t find any
experience on the web about that)
precisely measure and compare a project ran in Python, and the same in Java,
that would be a good experience. Hard to set up though.

Now about learning other language, you are darn&#039; right: that&#039;s probably
the most important point and should be the advice #1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Paul Boddie: great points, the web site in also a major<br />
point for promoting Python. You are right, the site misses<br />
some kind of &#8220;take a tour&#8221; or &#8220;try out&#8221; central link in<br />
the homepage. I&#8217;ll look forward for your entries in the wiki<br />
and join.</p>
<p>Edit: I have just seen your link, I am going to look right now</p>
<p>@Ram Sambamurthy: Great news for your institute, I wish you<br />
the best.<br />
Company that uses Python are already involved in the communities<br />
but as far as I know, for those which provide Python courses,<br />
they are doing their materials on their own, and maybe<br />
all those company could sit down together and thunk about<br />
a common base.</p>
<p>@Simon TeW: I think Ruby had a great effect over the<br />
Python community, for all the reasons you mentioned.</p>
<p>For web frameworks, RoR made a big impact on how Python frameworks<br />
evolve: they all now look at what is beeing done on RoR side,<br />
and that&#8217;s very good.</p>
<p>About Google, I can&#8217;t wait to see this company getting more<br />
and more involved in making Python bigger. I also have a big<br />
hope on what they will do next.</p>
<p>@Ant: You make an important point here. I think Java strength also<br />
comes from the way they build up things: everything is based<br />
on standards. On Python side, even though it&#8217;s not as big in<br />
the industrial field, pushing PEPs the same way JSRs are would<br />
be a good thing.</p>
<p>@DoctorPepper: The point is, if you are a great and smart developer,<br />
(and it&#8217;s seem so), you won&#8217;t have any problem to sell and promote<br />
the use of Python, because you&#8217;ll know when and how to use it.</p>
<p>Now take a student that is freshly gratuated, with no experience at all.<br />
He won&#8217;t be able to sell anything but her diplomas and certification.</p>
<p>About time saving and money saving: maybe we could (i can&#8217;t find any<br />
experience on the web about that)<br />
precisely measure and compare a project ran in Python, and the same in Java,<br />
that would be a good experience. Hard to set up though.</p>
<p>Now about learning other language, you are darn&#8217; right: that&#8217;s probably<br />
the most important point and should be the advice #1.</p>
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